[RASMB] time to reach equilibrium
Peter Schuck
pschuck at helix.nih.gov
Wed Jun 4 18:03:01 PDT 2003
Patrick,
We usually let it go fairly long (at least 2 days for a 180ul sample) and
take scans in time-intervals of 6 h. As Jim already said, with WINMATCH,
you can then subtract the last scan from all previous ones taken at several
time-points earlier and look how the difference slowly approaches a
constant (i.e. a difference only due to random noise) in the end. In my
experience, this can really take surprisingly long, in particular if you
have a chemical reaction. There's sometimes a long period when the
profiles change relatively little during any few hours period, but they
still keep going if observed over longer periods of time.
In my view, one of the critical problems is that one might be able to
actually fit the data if they are really still relatively far from
equilibrium with an apparently reasonable model. (Obviously you would get
wrong parameters.) That's because even in non-equilibrium, the profiles
take the shape of a curve with monotonously increasing slope, which are
notorious for looking just like noisy sums of exponentials.
If you can keep the temperature low and don't have to worry too much about
degradation, it's frequently worth the wait. In our hands, it's usually
considerably faster after establishing equilibrium at one rotor speed when
going to the next higher rotor speed.
Regards,
Peter
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